Steven Matz Is Clearly The Mets Fourth Best Starter

All offseason, we’re hearing Steven Matz is in a competition for a spot in the rotation. This is despite the fact he’s very clearly the team’s fourth starter. Anyone who takes the time to look at the data and trends can see it.

Remember, it’s 2020.

Rick Porcello‘s 2016 Cy Young Award is irrelevant. Michael Wacha‘s 2013 NLCS MVP is irrelevant. Neither pitcher is that pitcher. Not anymore.

What matters now is Matz is better than those two. Fact is, the ONLY reason why he wouldn’t be in the rotation is the GM didn’t acquire him. Yes, it would be the only reason, and if that happens (much like Robinson Cano batting third much of 2019), it’s unacceptable.

It’s time the Mets stop this nonsense, and stop the flood of tweets, including those from reporters well connected to the Mets, and just say Matz isn’t just in the rotation, but he’s the team’s fourth starter.

After all, of the three, he’s the only pitcher guaranteed to be here in 2021, and more than that, right now, in 2020, he’s the best pitcher of the three. Considering the strides he made last year, he may even prove to be more than that.

36 thoughts on “Steven Matz Is Clearly The Mets Fourth Best Starter”

  1. Oldbackstop says:

    *****Fact is, the ONLY reason why he wouldn’t be in the rotation is the GM didn’t acquire him.******

    I don’t not speak undouble negative speak. What the hell are you trying to say?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Learn to read

      1. Oldbackstop says:

        Maybe you should write the articles in whatever your mother tongue is, and then google translate them. You could stop wrecking havoc.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          What I wrote could be understood by people even with a fleeting grasp of the English language.

          Sadly, you don’t have that.

  2. Oldbackstop says:

    There is no reason to announce anyone has any place in the first week of March. Matz could founder as he did in the middle of last season when he was relegated to the bullpen. Wacha — who is younger than Matz, has a 1.17 ERA going in spring so far. Wacha is a former All Star and NLCS MVP who has twice taken no hitters into the ninth inning in the majors….he has got stuff.

    Matz seemed to perform well when he was placed in the pen last year and had his feet to the fire. Wacha and Porcello were both told they had a shot at starting. There is no possible benefit to announcing a rotation on March 8 other than you fretting your panties into a knot over what some other beta male jocksniffers are tweeting.

    Let it play out for two more weeks. These things have a way of fixing themselves.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Or, we could put the five best starters in the rotation, which definitively includes Matz, instead of carrying the water for BVW

      1. Oldbackstop says:

        They will put the best five starters in the rotation. You realize this decision doesn’t need to be made until….oh….April 2nd or something?

        All three of these guys are talented and have had success. Nobody has to be crowned yet.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Teams assemble rosters in the offseason, and these decisions are made before ST. At least, that’s what the good teams do because they realize making decisions based on a couple of weeks of games against many has beens and never will bes is an insanely stupid decision making process.

  3. Oldbackstop says:

    Axshully, there are 3 off days in the first 11 games and we start at home. Some New York weather and that five hole could not be needed until well into April.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Which is irrelevant to naming Matz the fourth starter or even recognizing him among your five best.

      1. Oldbackstop says:

        WTF is your malfunction? It was announced that the last two spots were a competition. There are two more weeks of camp, all three guys have ERAs under 2.

        Is Stevie Wevie sad and needs a lemon cookie for his ego? Let it play out ferchrissakes.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Your inability to grasp the point Matz should not be in a competition for a spot when he’s clearly better than the other two spots is the malfunction here

          1. Oldbackstop says:

            Everybody should always be in a competition. Its sports. You don’t get a snowflake participation trophy. Matz has never put together a consistent season at a middle of the rotation level never mind the elite levels Porcello and Wacha have.

            Maybe his highest and best use is swing starter long man for the team.

          2. metsdaddy says:

            It’s 2020, not 1920. Over the past century, smart baseball teams learned track records are much better indicators of future success than a few weeks of Spring Training.

            And again, I’ll note over the last few years, Matz is the best of the three.

          3. Oldbackstop says:

            We’ll see. No need to take the pressure off Matz he needs it.

          4. metsdaddy says:

            That’s complete and utter nonsense

  4. Rich Hausig says:

    Oldbackstop says:
    “No need to take the pressure off Matz he needs it.”

    Here, here, I totally agree. Physiologically, as fans, we all want to feel that everything is hunky dory with each player so we get their best. But that impulse is wrong. Competition at each position is the best way and most time tested way to get the best out of a player. A guy who can produce under those circumstances is the guy you want out there and Matz, for me at least, has really taken the reins here.

    He just looks different out there. He is working faster and with much more confidence. In fact I see that in many players including
    Alonso´s work around the bag at first, Gimenez swing and approach at the plate, Familia, Nunez, Dom, Conforto, Nimmo. They are focused and showing improvement or at least working to improve in specific areas of their game.

    Say anything you want about management, their history is their history but I see a team that is engaged and united. The defense, (admittedly its been mostly non everyday players) has looked much improved. They are hitting their cutoffs, throwing to the right base and executing. 3 weeks in and its all been positive and competitive. As Old backstop would say, no snowflakes need apply.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Matz’s looking faster and more confident comes from a mixture of confirmation bias and his working with a new pitching coach. It’s not the result of Spring Training competition.

  5. Oldbackstop says:

    In 2017 and 2018, his Age 26, 27, third and fourth years, Matz was 7-18 with a 4.61 ERA. In the first half of 2019 he was 5-6 with a 4 89 ERA and sent to the bullpen and the Mets traded for Stroman.

    To put that in perspective with the man the host called the worst pitcher in baseball, Jason Vargas was 25-20, 4.70 ERA in ’17-’18 and 5-6 with a 3.77 ERA in the first half of 2019.

    Vargas was traded and Matz was penned. Shown the cliff, Matz came back and had a solid second half, but certainly not at the elite levels that Porcello (31 years old) and Wacha (28 years old, younger than Matz) have touched in their career. Matz has never been within a country mile of a Cy Young or an All Star berth.

    Porcello and Wacha are both looking strong in ST.

    I’m pulling for Matz. But I’m pulling for the Mets a hell of a lot more, and if Porcello and Wacha are better starting pitchers and give the Mets a better chance of the postseason than Matz can die in a fire as far as I care.

    Fretting about whether Matz is sad about his status or what he “deserves” is the kind of pussy crap I hated with Callaway. We need that Terry attitude of all you are entitled to is a shot. Matz has a shot.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      That was pure gibberish

    2. Oldbackstop says:

      SI article on Wacha! LFGM!

      CBS had a very similar story on Porcello

      Matz did well out of the pen last year. Porcello never has pitched out of the pen.

      deGrom (reigning Cy Young)
      Thor (former All Star)
      Stroman (former All Star)
      Porcello (former Cy Young)
      Wacha (former All Star )



      If these starters all played to their career best years, we would have the greatest rotation in the history of baseball. They are all under 32 and only deGrom has a big bucks contract.

      It looks like BVW could be GM of the year.

      1. metsdaddy says:

        Reading this, I realize the Mets should bring back Bartolo Colon and Mike Hampton. If they did that, they’d be adding a former Cy Young and NLCS MVP to their rotation.

        1. Oldbackstop says:

          If they were 28 and 31, yeah.

          Zack Wheeler– 8.31 ERA in ST. ..

          1. metsdaddy says:

            Do you have their Little League numbers too?

          2. Oldbackstop says:

            Matz has never put together a full season, even through his prime years. Each season he has had one disastrous half:

            ERAs: 4.88, 4.89, 4.97, 10.16.

            As usual, you are being a Mets fanboy. Out of the six starters, Matz has the weakest demonstrated upside. Everybody else has had complete elite years and at least one All-Star or Cy Young season.

            He doesn’t have the benefit of age. .he isn’t the youngest or even the second youngest.

            Last year he pitch well after a wake-up call in the pen. Someone in the top five will miss starts (more than one) and he can pitch them up.

          3. metsdaddy says:

            Yes, my use of stats to support a point and getting in the way of your holding Van Wagenen’s water is my being a Mets fanboy.

            You got me there. I’ll now tell Baseball Reference, Fangraphs, and Baseball Savant to stop doing my bidding and to reset the numbers so it makes Van Wagenen look like he knows what he’s doing.

          4. Oldbackstop says:

            You hate BVW for the Cano trade: which you first proposed, only you proposed sending Alonso too.

            BVW oversaw a 9 win improvement. A six win improvement in 2020 and we are in the playoffs.

            You hate him for trading Wheeler, a guy who never put a full season together, and signing two guys with elite seasons on their resumes who are still in their prime. And the 30 million Wheeler is stinking up ST for the Phils.

            BVW brought in Diaz and JD, who have the talent to be All Stars (Diaz already was).

            All this under the usual Wilpon salary constraints.

            He had to shake up the team heading for another 70 something win season. The caused some fortunate and unfortunate results, including an injured Lowrie….But Porcello, Wacha, Diaz, JD and Lowrie COMBINE for less this year than Wheeler would have cost.

          5. metsdaddy says:

            I don’t like BVW because he’s terrible at his job, and I’ll note the improvement came at the hands of the players Alderson acquired.

            And I’ll note if you’re pushing this narrative about an improvement, I’m then going to assume you think it was a massive mistake to fire Callaway as he was the one who led the Mets to that improvement.

          6. metsdaddy says:

            On your Wheeler point, his 4.1 WAR was 2.1 points better than what that group you cited put together in 2019.

            Again, you can actually look at the data instead of pushing this nonsense pro BVW narrative.

          7. Oldbackstop says:

            This is pure gibberish.

          8. metsdaddy says:

            Yes, most of your comments are

          9. Oldbackstop says:

            No, I meant your comments were pure gibberish.

          10. metsdaddy says:

            You didn’t.

          11. Oldbackstop says:

            You whole site is gibberish, and now you are censoring the voices of reason.

          12. metsdaddy says:

            We can just chalk this comment from you to your history of baseless accusations and false statements.

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