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AJ Ramos Should Get You Excited

Last night, the Mets made a surprising trade obtaining AJ Ramos in exchange for minor leaguers Merandy Gonzalez and Ricardo Cespedes

It’s an interesting trade to say the least. When looking at a pitcher like Gonzalez, he has the stuff where trading him could haunt you one day. With that said, Gonzalez will be Rule 5 eligible this offseason meaning the Mets need to add him to the 40 man roster to protect him from the draft. 

It’s no guarantee the Mets would add Gonzalez to the 40 man roster, and it was certainly plausible an organization would pick him in the draft. To that end, it certainly makes sense to get something for Gonzalez instead of losing him for nothing. 

The deal should also help the Mets maximize the return for Addison Reed. All the teams who were in on Ramos were in on Reed. If someone really wants a late inning reliever, the cost for Reed is likely higher than it was yesterday as there is one less viable option.

These are all well and good reasons to like this trade. However, that’s not the reason why I like this trade for the Mets. The reason why I like this trade is what it signifies. 

The New York Mets are going for it in 2018. 

The Mets are in the middle of a fire sale. The team is likely getting younger with rookies Dominic Smith and Amed Rosario expected to be important parts of the team. The uncertainty of David Wright continues to hang over this organization. The players returning to the roster have all had injury  issues. There’s a couple of holes that need to be filled. 

On of those holes is the bullpen, and Ramos goes a long way towards filling it. 

With his sinker-slider repertoire, he not only has the ability to return to his All Star form, but with his working with Dan Warthen, he could be even better. 

Regardless of what happens, Mets fans should be excited about this deal. It is an indication the Mets will do all they need to be a much better team in 2018. That news alone should get that Mets fans excited. 

Editor’s Note: this was first published on MMO

0 thoughts on “AJ Ramos Should Get You Excited”

  1. Luis says:

    “working with Dan Warthen, he could be even better”-working with Dan Warthen, he could be on the DL in 2 months..fixed that for you

    1. metsdaddy says:

      That too

  2. Gothamist says:

    Warthen responsible for pitcher’s injuries?
    Have not read about that before.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I haven’t seen anything proving he does.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          As a rule, I don’t comment on other sites work unless I see something truly amazing or truly terrible.

          1. Gothamist says:

            This is just clueless, ignorant, incompetent, reckless, baseless, irresponsible and bordering on slander.

            So many busy people are prone to believe it.

            Could effect a coach’s future employment.

            Just plain wrong.

            An editor should refuse to print it.
            No reply needed.

            Stench speaks for itself.

          2. metsdaddy says:

            Again, I’m not going to comment on something Rising Apple wrote. I hope they show me the same courtesy

  3. Gothamist says:

    I have to give Sandy lots of credit ….
    Tons!

    – There is no way to tell in 2018 who the Mets will offer long term money to:

    Familia, Harvey, de Grom…?

    – Teams are stocking up with bullpen talent – a mega trend?
    – That Jeff Coupon took money for bullpen FAs AFTER the WORLD SERIES of 2015 and instead used the cash for real estate projects and Jeff Coupon bought an franchise in another sport. Sandy gets it though I do not.
    – Sandy must use whatever he has to start creating a bullpen for 2018 now?
    – If the starters are healthy, if Matz or Wheeler stay healthy and improve all SANDY needs most is a reliable pen

    Yes, he gave up some very interesting prospects: a very dominant pitcher in low A ball with fabulous stats including a low HR rate. The other a five tool long term prospect….

    He may regret this but the Mets are not a Five Tool organization.

    Money to match their market -{missing tool}-
    A baseball man as their President -{missing tool}-
    Highly competenc of both scouting and DATA investments -{missing tool}-
    Signing FAs – to save on trading prospects and to peddle in July -{missing tool}-
    Spending big on top international Free Agents -{missing tool}-
    Large local cable TV revenue -{missing tool}-
    Wealthy owners -{missing tool}-
    Great medical, training, rehab and strength management -{missing tool}-
    Great Fan base -HAS THE TOOL-
    Local media that delivers owner transparency and accountability -{missing tool}-
    Great GM -HAS THE TOOL-

    HE ROSE TO THE OCCASION!

    YET FOR ONE REASON ALONE HE HAD TO DO IT!!!

    By trading Addison Reed he had no other closer.
    In fact from the April roster he had Addison Reed (who closed for the White Sox and Dismondbacks) and he had Familia as his closer.

    With Blevins as a previous lefty specialist improved to now again to pitch innings yet his FB seldom tops 92… he would not be the closer

    Not Fernando Salas, not Josh Smoker…

    So how could Sandy trade Reed for nice package and have Mets without a closer?
    With no money in 15, 16 and 17 for FAs he had to act!!!

    Now, the possibilies, the angles, the frugal Coupon family Sandy had to make Lemonade from lemons…

    Brilliant!

    He also took a reliever away from the grasp of the other NL powers.
    With the #3 pick prospect of Detroit thru TB, Ramos, Sewald, Blevins and Familia in his walk year in 2018 Sandy can trade Reed tomorrow and not have to sweat the winter….

    Amazin Sandy!

    1. metsdaddy says:

      This was a shrewd move by Sandy on many levels, and it is something I was complaining about him not doing when the Nats got Madson & Doolittle without even so much as a peep from the Mets

      1. Gothamist says:

        Who would Oakland accept from us?
        Keep Madson and Doolittle beyond 2017?

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Not sure, but the Mets had the pieces to at least match what the Nats did

  4. Gothamist says:

    2018 Under Control:

    de Grom
    Lugo
    Syndergaard
    Harvey
    Matz
    Gsellman
    Familia
    Ramos
    Blevins
    Sewald
    Montero
    Smoker

    I would love to see the team carry a bench of five so we can keep Vets like Grandy and Cabrera but sadly but Tuesday one or two will be gone.

    Can Sandy go against the trend by Tuesday, can he do another TB Duda deal where he gets a 2018, MLB ready prospect with great tools as round peg to fit into a round hole of the 2018 or 2019 – 25 man roster that can go places?

    So I do wonder:

    What prospects or FAs will Sandy target? – Catcher, Third base / Righty bat / SB threat / Outfield defender with a gun?

    So will Sandy trade by Tuesday one of his catchers?

    All I know is to expect the unexpected….

    1. metsdaddy says:

      If you can get something for Rivera get it. As you’ll see tomorrow, Plawecki has been much better of late, and he merits a look at the end of the year as a potential backup.

      The Mets need to hold onto TdA as there are no viable alternatives

      1. Gothamist says:

        I like holding TdA and with so many exiting after 2017, if TJ does TJ surgery we may have five new of eight position players.

        First, Second, SS, Third and Right or CF.
        Add a catcher new to Flushing?
        Six?

        If Reyes, Cabrera are gone the likes of Familia, Montero, Cespedes will definitely have much more comfort if TdA stays.

        Potentially changing 6/8 position players year to year never leads to gold.

        If TdA is sold very high then I would listen. But only after Plawecki has a great September.

        This Sept will on paper have better competition than 2016.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Next year, the Mets need to get creative with trades to fulfill their 2B hole. Maybe Kinsler?

          For third, I’d be alright with Frazier over Moustakas so long as the money is invested elsewhere

  5. Five Tool Ownership says:

    I like Plawecki as a starter or trade bait.

    I like a back up to be far more experienced, a defensive gem and one with occasional clutch or PH pop superior to his normal production.

    I am bullish on good players w bad walk years.
    I say let us sign Lucroy.
    How Sandy navigates Travis and Plawecki from there is secondary.

    Let us trade Rivera now and either way call up Plawecki ASAP.
    LET’s find out if Plawecki is for real before signing Lucroy.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Look at the numbers. TdA is better than Lucroy. In fact, TdA is better than any other option on the FA market

      1. Gothamist says:

        Well Sandy tried to get Lucroy last July.
        Maybe Travis’s 13 RBIs in 2016 is in the rear view mirror?
        But any injury can happen at any time and each year figure 30-40 games on the DL regardless of production.
        I think Travis is a wonderful man.
        If only it worked out here!

        1. metsdaddy says:

          As it turns out, not getting Lucroy was a positive

          1. Gothamist says:

            Licroy just was traded to the Rockies.

            The player to be named later is not necessarily a negative.
            It may be an agreed on five players (who may help this year in CO) where Jon Daniels can choose later.

            I look at defensive careers, not slump years

            Yet, his defense has slumped further and playing 130 games he is looking at 50+ RBIs not 81 like 2016.

            So, in a perfect world a back up to Travis in 2018 guaranteed via injuries to start at least sixty games.

          2. metsdaddy says:

            Lucroy won’t sign anywhere next year to be a backup

      2. Gothamist says:

        TdA is beloved his trailing numbers are not.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Trailing numbers?

      3. Gothamist says:

        TdA is improved a .7 D WAR yet his offense is not great.
        Few SFs and a 20% CS rate is below last year.
        It may suffer further next year

        https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/darnatr01.shtml

        YET HE IS CONTROLLED contract wise

        If 2018 is the window and I am Sandy I have no certainty TdA can be my WS catcher…

        I LOVE TRAVIS AS A TEAMMATE
        HE IS KIND, HUMBLE and a great guy!
        No one wants him to succeed more than me…

        I want to see a WS ring despite these VERY selfish owners..
        I HOPE TdA always is a Met!

        1. metsdaddy says:

          TdA has had a low BABIP, but it has been going up with more consistent playing time. It also helps that the bone bruise has had more time to heal.

  6. Five Tool Ownership says:

    On the Ramos deal, the result in five years looks decidedly in Miami’s advantage.
    All Ramos is now is a credible pick up but a pure roll of the dice.
    This about 2018 snd mortgaging tomorrow.

    http://www.isportsweb.com/2017/07/30/miami-marlins-analysis-j-ramos-trade/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+isportsweb+%28isportsweb%29

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Mets were possibly losing Merandy in the offseason. This was getting something for him while addressing a 2018 need

      1. Five Tool Ownership says:

        The guy is definitely going on the 40 man roster.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          For the Marlins? Yes.

          Mets? Probably not

          1. Five Tool Ownership says:

            Really?
            With all the FAs?

          2. metsdaddy says:

            What do FAs have to do with Merandy making the Marlins 40 man roster?

          3. Five Tool Ownership says:

            Free agents are players on your 40 man roster who you will potentially deduct in January including FAs not to be resigned nor replaced?

            How many up and coming prospects do the Mets have at Brook, StL, Savan to add to the existing 40 man?

            http://www.espn.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/nym/new-york-mets

            Here are potential subtractions that the Mets might move forward without such as FAs, and possible less valuable assets than Merandy.

            How do you assess these players vs protecting Merandy?

            DO YOU PREFER? Robles (lesser value than Merandy?)
            DO YOU PREFER? Salas (lesser value than Merandy?)
            Grandy (FA)
            Bruce (FA)
            Cabrera (FA)
            DO YOU PREFER? Pill (lesser value than Merandy?)
            DO YOU PREFER? Milone (lesser value than Merandy?)
            DO YOU PREFER? Bradford (lesser value than Merandy?)
            Walker (FA)
            If not Goeddel and Reynolds (would you trade either to get Merandy back?)

            I PREFER MERANDY and I would release:

            Either..

            Pill
            Goeddel
            Robles
            Bradford
            Milone

            To keep him…..

            None of these five would ever get the ball past game 162 and I know too little about Gerandy to say I know his ceiling.

            That is what I was thinking about the 40 man.

            Did I miss your point?

          4. metsdaddy says:

            You’re also neglecting those coming off the 60 day DL like Wright.

            Team also has to add players like Dom to the 40 man. Uceta probably has more value than Merandy in the short term.

            The team also needs to add a number of players in free agency

  7. Gothamist says:

    Trade Bruce, Cabrera, Matz and Reed to the Red Sox for Andrew Benintendi!
    Do it Sandy!

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I’d love to see it happen. It has zero chance of happening

  8. Five Tool Ownership says:

    So you would play Mikey in CF and deal w defense later in the game?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I would not play Conforto in CF next year. I’d either platoon Nimmo/Lagares or make a move for one this offseason

      1. Five Tool Ownership says:

        Personally, I would max the bats out there in the outfield.

        If he does not move Nimmo I love him as a fourth a late inning guy!

        There are no great offensive precedents playing in all the other position players for the Mets in 2018.

        Dominic Smith has less HRs per ABAT than Kevin Plawecki and Matt (Ryan) Reynolds.

        Yet pristine up the middle DEE and focus on small ball is a great foundation.

        Only then bring in the Delgado types!

        1. metsdaddy says:

          You have Yo & Conforto there already. You need someone who can play center field

  9. Gothamist says:

    What does Boston have left in prospects to trade?

    Tzu Wei Lin?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I’m not 100% sure for the level the Mets pieces

    2. Five Tool Ownership says:

      Well MetsDaddy will be SO SO happy that Bruce is traded!
      For all his production this year Bruce is only a low WAR, 2.5
      In ten years he has averaged only 1.8.
      A 16 year career that is less than thirty!

      1. metsdaddy says:

        He’s had a fine career. His skill set just doesn’t jive with what the Mets need

        1. Five Tool Ownership says:

          What skill set would that be?

          1. metsdaddy says:

            Ability to play CF

          2. Five Tool Ownership says:

            Centerfield?

            What would it take to get Cinn or Atlanta to trade theirs?
            Count on Lagares to start?
            That is why they pushed Grandy, Mikey and Ces to play centerfield.

            Trey Turner was forced there.

            Washington sent prospects the Mets dream of having to get Eaton…

            So what and who is so easily obtainable for CF for the Five Tool Ownership Mets to easily not tender Bruce for a one year commitment?

            Well you wrote some great reports on MILB.
            You are in the know there…

          3. metsdaddy says:

            Braves aren’t trading Inciarte, and the Mets should go nowhere near Hamilton.

            Best internal choice is Nimmo/Lagares platoon. For what it’s worth, it’s a better option than bringing back Bruce.

            If I’m the Mets, I really push to see if Yelich really becomes available

  10. Five Tool Ownership says:

    Great potential news!

    Neal Walker to the D Backs!

    Sell him for $17 million!

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Hasn’t and won’t happen

      1. Five Tool Ownership says:

        You are counting on Neil Walker for 2018?
        What price will he accommodate you on after those March negotiations where he said the 2017 tender was not negotiable?

        “If the D-Backs do take a look at the market, they could consider a variety of options. MLBTR has recently assessed the potentially available shortstops and second basemen. Among those of note are Zack Cozart of the Reds, though he just landed on the DL. Jose Iglesias of the Tigers would represent a controllable piece and is capable of providing top-notch defense at shortstop, though he has never been much with the bat. If the Diamondbacks don’t feel they need a player capable of lining up at short, they could focus on rentals such as Jed Lowrie of the A’s or Neil Walker of the Mets.”

        1. Gothamist says:

          And everyone trashes Cabrera!
          Walker had a career year and snobbed out the Mets?

          Racist towards Cabrera?
          What if Walker had a team option for 2018, the switched him to 3rd and told him Friday?

          Or it pays to play with no emotion?

          1. metsdaddy says:

            There is no racism towards Cabrera. People loved him until he put himself above the team. Doesn’t matter the race, that player is going to get killed by the fans and rightly so

        2. metsdaddy says:

          Not sure how you can count on Walker for anything

  11. Gothamist says:

    If you are seeking a piece to 2018 to play a role how do you trade with a contender to get one now?

    Ramos is to me not a lock for any inning.

    My pen is a meritocracy for 2018.

    I want an up and coming arm who can potentially close in 2019-2020.
    And Pres. Jeffrey Coupon wants control of his salary.

    With Cleveland set in the late inning bullpen, if they still have an interest in Cabrera maybe they have a young hurler and msybe a deal can be made there?

    What other team in the market now for position players is set up for late inning bullpen and might have a live arm for Sandy that meets Mr Coupon’s sheer frugality?

    Maybe Sterling Equities 52% owned by the Mets wants to donate more money in Saul Katz’s name?

    But most likely they are seriously looking at :

    Hosting the eastern regionals in skateboarding w a brand new park with membership dues throughout the year and a tractable roof.

    Investing in a heliport for the US Open, visiting teams staying Manhattan, patrons from the Hamptons and with the incredible traffic a shuttle service for the players

    Building a winter parking lot for LaGuardia Airport

    Being the first stop on a maglev that originates at LaGuardia

    SO THE MONEY FOR THE PAYROLL WILL ONLY GRADUALLY RISE TO $160, $165, $170 etc…

    That payroll includes paying the deferred money to great heroes of yesterday.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Ramos is a piece. We can argue 6-7-8-9 all we want. Fact is, he’s a piece, and he’s a useful one at that

  12. Five Tool Ownership says:

    The Vegas Team is awful, just get whatever you can for:

    Bruce
    Rivera
    Cabrera
    Walker
    Reed
    Elgin

    And just get players who msy never play in the bigs!

    Just field a more competitive team in Vegas…

    Very embarrassing and not so good for top prospects going there for their last stop, fine tuning, slumps, rehab etc…

    Trade for Las Vegas!

    1. metsdaddy says:

      The Las Vegas record doesn’t matter whatsoever

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