Debunking The Rosario Excuses

Fact is, the Mets season is on the brink.  They need to upgrade anywhere they can in order to help get the Mets season back on track.  For many, that starts with calling up Amed Rosario.  In response, many have offered excuses as to why the Mets shouldn’t call-up Rosario.  In reality, they are flimsy excuses.  Let’s go through them one-by-one:

EXCUSE #1: The Pitching Is the Problem and Rosario Doesn’t Pitch

Yes, the Mets and their MLB worst ERA is a big problem, and no, Rosario doesn’t pitch.  However, the Mets right now are playing Jose Reyes and his .189/.269/.310 batting line at shortstop.  Assuming the pitching doesn’t get any better, the Mets are going to have to out-slug teams to win games.  Reyes is not going to help that.

Also, the Mets defense at short has been terrible.  They rank dead last with a -9 DRS.  Better defense at an important defensive position like shortstop will only serve to help a pitching staff.  Take Robert Gsellman for example.  He has a 58% ground ball rate, and he is allowing a .368 BABIP.  With a better shortstop, especially one like Rosario who projects to be a very good defender, that BABIP can go down.  That is the result of Rosario being able to get to more balls and the rest of the infield being better positioned as a result.  That could result in a lower BABIP, which means base hits becomes outs.  Rallies thereby end sooner or don’t begin in the first place.  Gsellman can then go deeper into games and take pressure off the bullpen.

EXCUSE #2 You Don’t Want Rosario Up On a Short-Term Basis

Who says is has to be on a short-term basis?  Even assuming Asdrubal Cabrera is ready to come back at the end of his 10 day disabled list stint, why couldn’t Rosario stay in the major leagues?  You have the option to move Rosario to third base if you so choose.  You also have the option of moving Cabrera and his poor range to third base.  If Rosario comes up, and he’s shown he can play well defensively and hit well, he has shown he belongs to play at the major league level.  If that is the case, keep him up.

EXCUSE #3 He Doesn’t Have Enough Triple-A At-Bats

There is no precise formula detailing how many at-bats are needed in Triple-A.  Miguel Cabrera never played in Triple-A before his call-up, and he is well on his way to the Hall of Fame.  Matt Reynolds has 1,145 at-bats in Triple-A, and he is still not ready to consistently hit major league pitching.  There is no tried and true formula to follow.  Rosario has shown he can hit in Triple-A.  You either believe in him, or you don’t.

Excuse #4 You Don’t Want Him to Struggle and Be Sent Down

Why?  Keith Hernandez struggled as a 21 year old, and he was sent down.  After that, Hernandez won an MVP, 11 Gold Gloves, and two World Series titles.  After jumping on the scene in 2015, Michael Conforto had a nightmare of a 2016.  So far this year, he is hitting .327/.413/.654 with nine homers and 24 RBI.  Overall, if you are going to be great at the major league level like many believe Rosario will be, one set-back is not going to prevent you from fulfilling your potential.

EXCUSE #5 You Don’t Want to Bring Him Up into a Losing Situation

The corollary of this is you don’t want to bring up a prospect expecting him to be a savior.  In 1983, the Mets were nine games under .500 when Darryl Strawberry was called-up to the majors.  In 2003, the Mets were seven games under .500 when Reyes was called-up.  In 2004, the Mets were one game under .500 when David Wright was called-up to the majors.

Each of these players were immensely talented, and they have each had successful careers.  Being called-up into a losing situation or being asked to be a savior didn’t prevent them from being terrific players.

EXCUSE #6 He’s Had Too Many Errors This Year

Reyes and Cabrera have combined to post a -9 DRS, which again, is the worst in the majors.  Looking at how the team was built top to bottom, defense has been not incentivized.  Now all of a sudden, the Mets are going to care about defense when it comes to a player with plus range for the position?  Further, if he’s struggling, get him away from the terrible infield at Cashman Field, and get him some major league coaching.  You’re likely going to see a better defender out there.

EXCUSE #7 Calling Him Up Sends a Signal the Team is Panicking

Shouldn’t the Mets be panicking at this point?  The team has the worst ERA in baseball.  Their ace and closer are likely gone for the season.  They are already nine games behind the Nationals.  By all means, the Mets should be panicking.  Even if they aren’t panicking, they should be concerned.  The best way to address this would be to address the concerns the team has.  One of those concerns is the offensive and defensive production they get from shortstop.  Rosario can alleviate those concerns.

EXCUSE #8 He’s Not Ready to Hit Major League Pitching

On this front, you have to defer to the front office.  Despite Rosario’s terrific Triple-A numbers, we don’t really have a breakdown on his ability to hit a fastball or breaking pitches.  They can justifiably be seeing something we don’t see.  Still, the team is willing to go with Reyes, his poor defense, and his .189 batting average at the position.  Even if Rosario were to put up similar offensive numbers to Reyes, he’s going to do that with much better defense.  As a result, the Mets would be a better team with him on the field.  Furthermore, it should be noted that if he needs to make some improvements at the plate, he would be better served by working with Kevin Long.  \n

EXCUSE #9 What Do You Do With Him When Cabrera Returns?

Thumb issues like this are tricky.  We saw Juan Lagares try to play through a torn ligament in his thumb until he was finally forced to have surgery to repair the tear.  We still do not know if Cabrera needs surgery.  We don’t know if this is a two week or two month injury.

Assume for a minute Cabrera will be back sooner rather than later, the Mets have an opportunity to give Rosario a brief look at shortstop.  At the very least, it’s a reward for him being the time in to become an improved player.  It presents an opportunity to see if Rosario is ready.  When and if Cabrera comes back, the Mets can then judge if Rosario should stay up with the team or go back down to Triple-A.  If he were to go back down, he will have a better idea of what he needs to work on in order to stick at the major league level.

EXCUSE #10 You Don’t Want to Have Rosario Become a Super Two Player

So what?  Now the Mets aren’t all-in?  Did that only apply to signing Jerry Blevins and Fernando Salas?  If you are all-in, be all-in regardless of Super Two deadlines.

Overall, that’s the point.  If you are truly all-in, you do everything you can do to improve your team.  You do everything you can do to win games.  Every day the Mets keep Rosario in Vegas is another day this team is not all-in.  Rather, the team is letting everyone know they would rather lose with what they have this year.

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  1. Gothamist says:

    “Multiple people familiar with the Mets’ operation — most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity — say the team has a less-than-optimal command structure that allows routine problems to fester until they become major conflagrations. Too often, the Mets’ approach leads to communication breakdowns, mixed signals or a lack of trust between the team and its players.

    “It’s the same old, same old mistakes,” one industry source said. “The Mets are a successful, profitable organization. But no organization, over a protracted period of time, has more significant players on the disabled list. There’s a failing across the board. And what changes have been instituted, if any?”

    The media guide resumes are impressive enough. Head athletic trainer Ray Ramirez has 25 years of experience in the majors with the Mets and Texas Rangers and nine seasons in the minors before that. Dr. David Altchek, the Mets’ medical director, is a respected surgeon whose New York office is on a short list with Dr. James Andrews and Dr. Neal ElAttrache as a go-to destination for pitchers with arm injuries.

    But Altchek, with his busy practice at the Hospital for Special Surgery, is not a regular presence at Citi Field. And Barwis, the top strength and conditioning employee, works out of an office in Port St. Lucie, Florida, and is primarily responsible for training players in the offseason.

    “Ultimately, these areas of expertise and coordination fall under my responsibility. It’s not Jeff or Dr. Altchek or Mike Barwis. Whether it’s coordination, or we’re sending guys to the right rehab facility, or we have the right people visiting players in the offseason, this is all my responsibility.”
    General manager Sandy Alderson
    So who’s in charge? Multiple sources said the lack of a single medical point person allows for greater involvement by COO Jeff Wilpon in areas where he’s lacking in professional expertise. They describe Wilpon as a micromanager who creates an environment in which the Mets simply whipsaw from one crisis to the next and are too often governed by how their decisions will be publicly perceived.

    “Jeff gets in the middle of everything that’s going on, and he ends up doing more damage,” said a person who has been involved in the Mets’ internal operation. “He meddles. I can’t come up with a more appropriate term.”

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Jeff is a disaster

  2. Gothamist says:

    Daddio, if we look back to May 2017 from May 2018 do you believe in retrospect that this question of “do we call him up now?” will even be worth pindering a year later?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      No. It will be like when we called up Conforto in 2015. We will be wondering why the Mets told us he couldn’t do it

    2. Patrick says:

      If rosario becomes the player everyone in baseball believes he can (and the mets continue to fall short of expectations) at the mlb level later this season or in 2018, then yes: it should be something to ponder going forward.
      There is no explaining the mets “organization”; they’re experts in ineptitude

  3. Gothamist says:

    You say “disaster”?
    Is that essentially interference with delegation on all aspects of baseball operations?
    How does that play out in the pure sense, hiring a good GM and getting a few high picks etc… with foundation of Jeff is navigating (controlling and making decisions the way he does) from expansion to hopefully WS champs? Will winning a championship ever happen?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      This team could win a WS. They almost did in 2015 despite everything that happened.

      1. Gothamist says:

        Ok, so an expansion club with Jeff Wilpon as President, with his management syle, track record, caveat of hiring a good GM, high picks yet within his management “involvement” – mirco managing at times, when he is concerned can ultimately win a World Series? Got it

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Under that circumstance, no, it won’t happen

        2. Patrick says:

          I love this hypothetical. A post selig era MLB allowing the wilpons to own another team!!!

          I can see the headlines already: wilpon group outbids the mccourt family.

          The wilpon group’s ability to secure 57 cents on the dollar of their 500+ accounts with Ponzi Wealth Management, LLC was the deciding factor of MLB awarding the expansion franchise to the Wilpon group.
          Additionally, a rider to the purchasing contract stipulates MLB must offer low interest rate loans for the Wilpon group for operatng expenses; in perpetuity.

          Meanwhile, speculation that President Trump may in fact retain a minority stake in the expansion team has increased. When reached for comment, President Trump praised the Wilpon group and supported the organization’s intent to block employment opportunitites to unmarried persons having childen. Regarding speculation of Trumps’s minority stake, he only offered “lies by the fake news”.

          The Wilpon group is currently frantically attempting to complete their unveiling of their new franchise “The Brooklyn Debt Dodgers” during a press conference which will air February 4, 2018 at 6:30 pm (EST). The groups choice to unveil their plans for the new MLB franchise during kickoff for Super Bowl LII has left many imdustry insiders scratching their head.
          During the latest press conference, the wilpon group declined comment. But, many members of the press attest to hearing a member of the wilpon entourage proclaiming “they can have LII, we have LIE”.

          While this comment is not fully substantiated, it only exacerbates public concern regarding leaked documents detailing the wilpons groups intentions for the new franchise.

          Leaked documents contain emails sent from numerous .aol emails as well as print screens. For editorial purposes, we cannot verify any information regarding these print screens: search engine result print screens from alta vista on the internet explorer web browser appear to most likely be a virus imcurred by the group; our head of IT claims no web brower would be inudated with such a plethera of toolbars. He further speculated these print screen leaked documents must surely have been doctored because “who in their right mind would

          1. Gothamist says:

            Thank you Patrick!

            The Mets were going to bid but MLB denied a loan for $5M signing bonus….


  4. Gothamist says:

    2015 was a two regime journey.
    In fact most “stars” were from Minaya’s doing….

    Sure, KJ, Uribe, Cespesdes and other acquisitions “gutted” the farm system but only Cessa and Fulmer are MLB cailbre.

    I see this not happening without unique contributions by Cespesdes and the late inning clutch hitting by Murphy as the drivers into September and then Murphy and the staff beating the Dodgers. Why the Cubs rolled over and died must be again about pitching and Murphy.

    2015 was rise, stepping towards perennial greatness into 2022?


    After dumping Murphy is about rolling dice on the starting pitching and hoping that Cespesdes, Conforto, Rosario and Dom Smith are enough?


    There are too many corners cut where money is not spent, spent mimimally, nothing is sustainable and 2015 was a one shot deal?


    add real money, run it the same way as now and severely constrain your ceiling?

  5. Jason Wichern says:

    Season is over. Having rosario in the majors won’t change that.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Actually, it could. Wild Card race is becoming more jumbled. Kris Bryant about to go on the DL. Rockies slumping.

      Spark and defense from Rosario could matter.

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