Given Mets History, Don’t Be Optimistic About J.D. Davis’ Shoulder Just Yet

On February 21, 2019, Mets General Manager Brodie Van Wagenen told reporters the MRI on Jed Lowrie‘s knee revealed “no significant damage.” The following day, Lowrie’s injury was described as nothing more than “soreness behind his left knee,” and ultimately, the team gave no estimates for when Lowrie could return to play.

As we know that no significant damage would eventually be classified as a capsule strain. That capsule strain became the Mets know really knowing what was wrong with Lowrie, and by all accounts, the Mets still do not know what is wrong with Lowrie.

All we know at this point is he was limited to just eight pinch hitting attempts in 2019, and he showed up to Spring Training this year wearing a very large brace on his left leg. Realistically speaking, no one knows what, if anything, Lowrie can contribute in 2019. Really, no one knows if Lowrie will ever be able to play again.

Almost a year later, J.D.Yoe Davis dives for a ball at third, is taken out of the game, and he undergoes an MRI. When announcing the results of the MRI, Brodie Van Wagenen announced there was inflammation, a pre-existing labrum tear, and that they need to reassess Davis in a week.

While some circles will paint that as good news, it is hard to calculate it as such, especially with what we knew heading into Van Wagenen’s statements. First and foremost, Mike Puma of the New York Post reported Tigers team doctors examined Davis and determined “there wasn’t labrum or rotator cuff damage.

Davis, himself, was unaware he had an existing torn labrum. The Tigers doctors, without the benefit of an MRI, were unaware of it. In very short order, this went from nothing to a pre-existing injury, inflammation, unable to do baseball activities in a week, beginning rehab, and re-evaluation of the injury in a week or so.

However, Van Wagenen wants us to now believe the Mets were well aware of the injury, and that now, it is not going to be an issue.

While it is very possible that is the case, there is a certain element of Yoenis Cespedes to this. Supposedly, the Mets were always aware he had double heel issues, and yet, they initially expressed disbelief he would need the surgery before finally acquiescing.

No one is going to say Davis needs surgery. By the same token, no one is going to say Davis will be a complete non-factor in 202o like Lowrie and Cespedes were in 2019. However, what we have seen with Lowrie, Cespedes, and even David Wright (spinal stenosis initially ruled mild right hamstring strain), the Mets have a very poor history initially diagnosing significant injuries and setting forth a plan to get the players on the field.

The initial news for Davis isn’t as dire as many feared when he first went down and needed an MRI. There is hope he can come back in a week and be ready to resume baseball activities. However, with this being the Mets, no one should take anything out of this other than we won’t know if Davis can play until we see him active and playing in Queens.

18 thoughts on “Given Mets History, Don’t Be Optimistic About J.D. Davis’ Shoulder Just Yet”

  1. LongTimeFan1 says:

    February 20, 2019 – Mets note Lowrie has knee problem which began to bother him Feb 16th.

    February 21, 2019 – MRI

    February 23, 2019 – Mets announce Lowrie has left capsule knee sprain.


    JD Davis

    February 25, 2020 – Left shoulder injury

    February 26, 2020 – MRI reveals some inflammation but no structural damage. Also reveals old Labrum injury or tear that hasn’t caused Davis any prior symptoms. .

    Anything other are your distortions, including that the unrelated Labrum tear is now the issue and that the Mets say the injury which occurred on February 25th, is nothing. They never said it was nothing. You don’t speak for the physicians and radiologist who read the MRI scans and provided the Mets and JD with their medical assessment and recommended course of action..

    Based on the MRI finding as described by Brodie, a reasonable person can conclude JD probably needs a month and may or may not be ready for opening day. There are plenty athletes and every day people with wear and tear in their joints, and are asymptomatic. The treatment and rehab JD will get in recovering from hurting his shoulder will surely be comprehensive with or without a pre-existing, asymptomatic labral tear which is likely rather small and not in a crucial location that impacts the stability of his shoulder.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I distorted nothing, and I’ll again note the Mets have an extremely poor history in these situations.

      Again, follow the timelines for Davis and what was actually said. Not the spin. What was said.

      He went from jammed shoulder with no labrum tear to a labrum tear JD had no idea existed to stopping baseball activities with the Mets reassessing in a week or so.

      There are no reasonable assumptions to make here because no one actually is quite sure what’s wrong, Davis isn’t doing baseball activities, and no one has set a timetable.

      Overall, we have seen the Mets fall flat on their faces downplaying injuries much in the fashion they’re doing now. We can only hope Davis is an exception and not the next Lowrie, Nimmo, Cespedes, Wright, Walker, etc

    2. Oldbackstop says:

      Thank you LTF.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      The Mets have a lengthy history dealing poorly with injuries and attempting to downplay the severity of injuries, so I really have no idea why you’d say apples and oranges.

      1. Oldbackstop says:

        Poor compared to what? Some major league median of medical metrics?

        Or just poor in the eyes of an amateur that hovers obsessively over everything the owners and GM do?

        The Mets have had AMAZING success in some cases, riding out years of deGrom’s maladies to two Cy Youngs. They had Tommy John vets all over camp. They nursed Wheeler through a decade of physical breakdowns before letting him win the lottery.

        Athletes get hurt. Your bleating that Mets athletes get hurt due to systemic and long term medical incompetence or that the GMs choose to lie about it are utterly unsupported.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Yes, the Mets have had amazing successes. That must be why Lowrie played exactly zero games in the field last year.

  2. Oldbackstop says:

    Sigh…..JD has some damage in his non throwing shoulder. It was a symptomatic and he came off a great year. This isn’t Lugo’s elbow.

    You continually mock the Mets medical staff without any context, comparisons, or specifics. Are they the worst in the majors? Worst in the NL? Worst in the NL East?

    Are they worse than the Phillies?

    It is clear to me that you make statements like these — Puig isn’t a headcase! The Mets have the worst doctors and/or lie! — because you are used to dealing with dullards in your daily life. Or more likely, people in your life simply have become apathetic to your treatises, so you get no pushback.

    Maybe you need to have some adult read your pieces. Or even a kid would be fine.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Are we going to say his shoulder is asymptomatic now?

      Or is this like your pushing a narrative berating Puig while ignoring how it’s rumor of questionable origin and how his teams have continuously won?

    2. metsdaddy says:

      Because you keep bringing up Puig being a detrimental headcase, here are his teams records:

      2013 Dodgers: 92-70
      2014 Dodgers: 94-68
      2015 Dodgers: 92-70
      2016 Dodgers: 91-71
      2017 Dodgers: 104-58
      2018 Dodgers: 92-71
      2019 Reds*: 49-56
      2019 Indians*: 30-25

      Make all the accusations you want, but teams with Puig have won. If he was the distraction you say he was, his teams would not nearly perform to this level.

      1. David Klein says:

        Counterpoint Puig is t good anymore

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Puig is an MLB caliber RF who had a down year. In that down year, he was still a league average hitter and fielder.

        2. Oldbackstop says:

          Oh. I meant to get around to that. He would be roughly our 7th best OFer offensively.

          But, he seems like a great profile to come here, graciously and studiously learn a new position, take guidance and direction from our new staff, and then courteously handle riding the bench as our players with better skills become available.

          No. He is a dumpster fire, which is why he is still in the discount bin with ST under way.

          1. metsdaddy says:

            No one an possibly seriously believe that

  3. Oldbackstop says:

    Let’s tear apart some of the emotive ranting plate ofmf logistical spaghetti.

    ****In very short order, this went from nothing****

    No! It went from a game injury, to 24 hours later a diagnosis! This is the way it happens!!

    ****to a pre-existing injury,****

    No! It picked up a pre-existing small tear that had not had any impact on performance, as shown by his incredible barrels all year.

    **** inflammation,****

    Duh! He jammed it!

    **** unable to do baseball activities in a week, beginning rehab, and re-evaluation of the injury in a week or so.****

    All saying the exact same thing, extremely normal.

    See? All better. Maybe JD will get better right away, maybe he won’t, no doctors are perfect. There is no Conspiracy to hide injuries. There is no Collusion to fool MetsDaddy.

    Lugo broke his toe, remember? Shtt happens.

    Did you ever play any sport on any level whatsoever?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      You cannot possibly be this ignorant.

  4. Oldbackstop says:

    All that happened here was an MRI was read. It show an old labrum injury that had not affected his play or even hurt. It did not show he had a new injury.

    Somehow you conflate this into a paranoid swirl of incompetencies, lies and coverups.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I didn’t conflate everything. I provided the timeline, and you got bent out of shape about it.

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