Why Was Carlos Beltran Mets Only Casualty?

The firing of Carlos Beltran was an unusual one. This wasn’t performance based. Moreover, this wasn’t because of anything he did as a member of the New York Mets.

No, Beltran was fired because of his taking part in the Houston Astros sign stealing two years ago. With the firing, the Mets said cheating is wrong, and they will not be a party to it.

Actually, no, they didn’t.

We know they didn’t because the Mets traded for Jake Marisnick after the scandal broke and while the investigation was pending.

After the report was released, the Mets didn’t release Marisnick even after learning he was a part of an Astros team who cheated. Remember, the Mets thought Beltran cheating merited not just a firing, but also not paying him the money owed on his contract.

Well, if it wasn’t the cheating. Maybe it was the lying. After all, Beltran texted to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, “I’m not aware of that camera. We were studying the opposite team every day.”

The problem is J.D. Davis similarly lied. When he was questioned about it, Davis said, “I have no idea, I was kind of the freshman among the seniors. I have no idea what was going on or what’s really happening.”

Davis cheated and lied to the press about it. However, unlike Beltran, Davis is still a member of the Mets.

While not batters, Rick Porcello and Dellin Betances played for teams who had been found to illegally use the replay review room. The Mets signed both players after the scandal broke.

Maybe the Mets want to say there’s a higher standard of conduct for a member of the coaching staff. Whereas players may get wrapped up in cheating, you can’t have that type of conduct from a leader.

The problem there is Ricky Bones is the bullpen coach despite having previously been named in the Mitchell Report, so that’s not the case.

So what exactly is the message here?

Cheating is acceptable, but only if you’re not that good at it? We don’t condone high level cheating unless it’s a Ponzi Scheme or insider trading?

As the Mets tell it, they were initially fine with the allegations. Brodie Van Wagenen said, “Anything that happened, happened for another organization with Houston, Major League Baseball . . . But at this point, I don’t see any reason why this is a Mets situation.”

Jeff Wilpon added at the conference call, “I think the change came when the report did come out how prominent he was in it.”

So, the message here with Davis, Marisnick, and Bones, and to a certain extent, Porcello and Betances remain members of the New York Mets, the organization is saying they have ZERO ISSUES WITH CHEATING.

In fact, with the Mets obtaining Marisnick, Porcello, and Betances after news of the scandal broke, they’re saying they actually want players who might’ve cheated or at least have knowledge of it.

The Mets want all of those players in Flushing just as long as they don’t get caught or are specifically implicated. Then, when the attention is directed the Mets way, they’ll pretend to have a problem.

29 thoughts on “Why Was Carlos Beltran Mets Only Casualty?”

  1. Oldbackstop says:

    I agree that JD knew, and he lied by saying he didn’t. He had 24 games with the Astros, 11 at home; most of those pinch hitting. He had a Santa hat on when the question was thrown at him by the media. (I.e.: we don’t know what he actually told his bosses on the Mets, then or now)

    What he SHOULD have said was “Hey, I’m here for the kids, I don’t want to get into anything.”

    What he could have said it was definitively not in place or he would have known. Or he could have said he saw it and knew all about it, which would have propelled him into baseball history books, seeing as the investigation was just underway.

    Some people think saying “I don’t know” is a dodge around admitting or denying, but it isn’t,he did know.

    So it was stupid of him to say that, but he isn’t a lawyer, and I doubt was getting PR counsel.

    So, yeah, the Mets could say they were appalled by his obfuscation if not lying and trade him.

    But the moral point you seem to be lost on is that he isn’t going to be in a management position here, which is the line MLB has drawn.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Being airtight with some cheating and not others is not a moral point.

      1. oldbackstop says:

        It’s the lying, not the cheating that makes his case different…as it was with Beltran.
        Everybody already in MLB already decided they were letting the players go…with good logic, because suspending 40 players would punish players on other team, plus the union would go nuclear.
        JD made the mistake of answering.
        The coverup is worse than the crime.
        What would you have done MD? Held a press conference the day he joined the team in Aug 2017 in a pennant race? When cornered on Dec. 4 this year blurt out the details of the whole system?

        1. metsdaddy says:

          As an organization, you either have a problem with cheating, or you don’t.

  2. oldbackstop says:

    Another group of dirt bags in this mess were the players who won individual honrs and sat there grinning getting their trophy.

    Correa’s BA jumps 40 points and he makes his first All Star team. Springer’s numbers jump and he made his first All-Star team. Altuve has the best year of his career and wins the both the batting title and MVP.

  3. oldbackstop says:

    These were genuine questions, MD, since you are thrashing around in a moral fog. It is easy to be high and mighty until you are in the situation.

    JD joins the Astros on August 5 2017. He gets in one home game and then they are on the road. They are cruising to the playoffs, up 14.5 games. You are told of the system, told everybody does it in the majors. Hall of Famer Beltran is the oldest guy on the team, he is an enthusiastic propoent, if not a designer.

    Most moral
    — you immediately go to the authorities…GM, the league if you don’t get satisfaction, maybe the media. You are the hero whistleblower

    — you quietly tell the manager to send you down or trade you. Well, that is laudable, but you still KNOW of the system, so you are a defacto part of the “crime” along with…what….60 people? 70? The Astros show 48 guys having plate appearances (including Fiers) so I guess the pitchers played in some inter league. Then coaches, trainers…any employees that got near the dugout.

    — You go along with the system and keep your mouth shut.

    A few years later, there is an investigation and a reporter corners you in a crowd.

    What do you say, MD? You don’t know if MLB will let all the players walk. Hell, your hands are dirty too. A memo came out after the season about other teams cheating…the Yanks, the Red Sox…so, yeah, other teams are doing it.

    “MD, MD….yeah, MD. Were you aware of a system to steal signs on the 2017 Astros?”

    Give me your answer, since you are so judgmental.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      You either have a problem and get rid of everyone, or you don’t have a problem and keep everyone.

      Those are the only two logical positions.

  4. Oldbackstop says:

    Clearly the dividing line is between being a player and being the guys in charge of players

    So, listen up, this is a TEACHING MOMENT, since you have this black and white idea of the ethics here.

    You are JD Davis on Aug 5, 2017 and you are informed of the system. What do you?

    You are cornered by reporters on Dec. 4th and asked if you knew of the system what do you say?

    Focus here. Answer the questions without some sophomoric platitude.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      That’s a nonsense line. You cannot find some cheating acceptable and other cheating not.

      That’s not how ethics work.

      1. Oldbackstop says:

        Focus. You are JD. Answer the f’xing question, you are acting like a weasel. That’s four times I asked. What would YOU do? YOU.

        1. metsdaddy says:

          I’d have one single, solitary standard and apply it universally.

          If Beltran is fired, Davis and Marisnick are not on my team in 2020.

        2. metsdaddy says:

          I’d have one single, solitary standard and apply it universally.

          1. Oldbackstop says:

            So you, the rookie player JD, would have exposed the Astros scheme his first day in the majors.

            How would you have done it? Press conference? Media release?

          2. metsdaddy says:

            I’m not placing upon him the onus of having to reveal a scandal.

            However, he cheated, and as such, he should be viewed upon as a cheater and face the same penalties as other cheaters.

          3. Oldbackstop says:

            Sigh. Yes. The question is, placed in the same position, would you NOT cheated? And how?

            YOU. MD Davis. Get the question?

          4. metsdaddy says:

            Answering questions like that are pointless because as human beings we all aspire to be would say I would not cheat under any other circumstances.

            However, we don’t really know what we would do until we are put in thats situation.

            But that’s all besides the point.

  5. Oldbackstop says:

    No, that is exactly the point. You condemn somebodys actions, but you can’t outline an ethical way from the situation he was placed in by the leaders of the Astros players. Even someone as morally judgmental as you can’t say what you would do.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I’d say you can’t be this dense, but we both know you are

  6. Blair M. Schirmer says:

    The Mets actually have a little depth in the pen this year. If they don’t insist on pitching guys just because they’re paying them, they might do reasonably well. Lugo, Betances, Familia, Diaz… except for Betances they all seem healthy, and the latter two had enough stuff that they should be able to put up at least a 3.75-4.00 ERA pitching a couple of times a week even if their best days are past.

    Then they’ve got the second and third tier guys, Justin Wilson, Wacha, Drew Smith, Zamora, Sewald, Gsellman, Brad Brach, then guys like Bashlor, Rhame, Nogosek who have some chance of being at least replacement level.

    A good pitching coach who largely dictates who pitches or is available on a given day could add several wins to this club. I can’t believe the bullpen’s performance over the last two season is an accurate reflection of the talent on hand.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      My personal hope is the bullpen’s failures last year were ball related, and as such, they’ll rebound in 2020.

      1. Blair M. Schirmer says:

        I think we might see some of that, but it felt distinctly odd to me that professional ballplayers with an entire season to adjust, presumably with all the technology, coaching, video, and etc. at their fingertips, couldn’t adjust at least to the point of being adequate.

        I wonder, too, if rather than there being a blanket problem, it wasn’t that Diaz was injured after the May 28th game, that Syndergaard never figured out the new ball the way deGrom did, that Familia was just a mistake signing, a player who peaked at age 25 and is simply over the hill–not completely ineffective as his 62 k in 60ip showed, just nowhere near what he was and perhaps not adjusting well to a new, lower level of ability. I think given the wholesale failures of nearly every reliever (and I don’t mean to indulge myself here), it may also have been that Callaway took an approach that was just somehow wrongheaded–but that’s uninformed speculation on my part, based on the pen’s widespread inability to perform, which in turn is suggestive of a misguided overall approach.

        Still, while I would have preferred a more reliable bullpen arm like Wills Smith or Harris, Betances literally can’t hurt unless he is given innings commensurate with his salary rather than his performance in 2020–and he might be terrific. Interesting, that as long as Lugo continues at his 2018-19 levels, only one of Betances, Diaz, and Familia need to be near their peaks for the pen to be quite good.

        1. Blair M. Schirmer says:

          Btw, do we know why experienced pitchers suddenly lose all semblance of control? Familia walked a man an inning in April (13bb in 14.1 ip), and improved all the way to terrible (29bb in 45.2 ip) for the rest of the season.

          If there’s good news, it’s that he closed out the year with 1bb in 11ip and 11 games, so if it was a lingering injury it might have finally healed–or maybe the improvement was just luck and hitters swinging more in the last month? Beats me.

  7. Oldbackstop says:

    “However, we don’t really know what we would do until we are put in thats situation.”

    NO that is exactly the point. You are writing article after article about punishment, but how can you judge someone without putting yourself in their shoes?

    What would you CONSIDER doing, your most radical “honest at all cost” action? The action that would prevent some person as yourself condemning them for cheating?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      You continue to set new lows in your dishonesty

      1. Oldbackstop says:

        Do you realize you are trolling your own site again?

          1. oldbackstop says:

            Metstwit tired…

          2. metsdaddy says:

            As am I

  8. Oldbackstop says:

    Last word

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