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Five Aces Are No More and Never Were

When you go through Mets history, there are certain dark moments of Mets history which continue to haunt Mets fans.

The 1977 Midnight Massacre which saw a vengeful and frankly inept front office trade Tom Seaverand Dave Kingman. This would beget Grant’s Tomb.

The 1992 Mets were dubbed The Worst Team Money Could Buy. The Mets first real foray into free agency would see the team add Eddie Murray, Willie Randolph, Dick Schofield, Bill Pecota, Bret Saberhahen, and the prize of the offseason free agent class Bobby BonillaUnder the guise of 1990 American League Manager of the Year Jeff Torborg, the Mets would go 70-92.

There would not be hope again until Generation K – Paul Wilson, Jason Isringhausen, and Bill Pulsipher.  With Isringhausen bursting out of the gate in 1995 going 9-2 with a 2.81 ERA in his first 14 starts, Mets fans anticipation was at a fever pitch.

The funny thing is due to a myriad of injuries to all three pitchers, the trio dubbed Generation K would never appear in the same rotation.  Over time, they would be surpassed and traded away for spare parts.  To put it in perspective, the best player the Mets would get in exchange for the trio would be Rick White.

Fast forward 20 years and Mets fans have dreamed about this generations crop of pitchers winning their first World Series since 1986.  While not as clever as Generation K, they had their own nickname – The Five Aces.  Matt Harvey, Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz, and Zack Wheeler.

They were going to scoff at the 1971 Orioles pitching staff and their measly 20 wins apiece.

Those 1990s Braves teams were going to laughed at for producing just three Hall of Fame pitchers.

This wasn’t “Spahn and Sain and Pray for Rain.”  It was Matz and Thor and We Got Three More!

Instead, what we got was Matt and Jake and All Five Pitchers Ache.  Essentially, it all came off the Wheeler.

Each and every single one of them would go down with injury.  Most of them went down with two or more.  As a result, much like Generation K, these five pitchers have never appeared in the same rotation.  Worse yet, in some sick cosmic twist of fate, last year would be the first year all five would start a game in the same season, and the end result was the worst ERA in team history.

Finally, this year was supposed to be the year.  Everyone was shut down at a some point last year to help them get ready for this year.  The team brought in Mickey Callaway, Dave Eiland, and a whole new medical staff.  It was all set up for them.

And then, the team signed Jason Vargas.

Yes, given their respective health issues, the Vargas signing made a lot of sense.  However, with him getting a two ear deal, it may just kill the dream because so long as Vargas has a rotation spot, we will not see the Five Aces pitch together in the same starting rotation. With Harvey’s impending free agency, this was the last chance, and it is going by the wayside.

Maybe it is for the best because as we saw in 2015, so long as we have three completely healthy, this team can go to the World Series.  That more than the Five Aces pitch in the same rotation is the goal.  Still, not seeing it happen once leaves you a bit melancholy.

At the end of this run for the Five Aces, we are ultimately going to be left with Vargas and Montero Where Did Our Five Aces Go?

31 thoughts on “Five Aces Are No More and Never Were”

  1. OldBackstop says:

    Yeah.

    Anyway, I have come to the conclusion that I don’t like Mickey Callaway’s face. He seems to be fronting, a ;peppy Adderal facade, always carrying his bottle of water and giving 400 word answers when 20 would do. Makes me miss Terry.

    Callaway talks like a junior high kid trying to sell you something. It reminds me of Bobby Bonilla’s “You won’t wipe this smile off my face.”

    I think he will be challenged to hold the respect of the media and the team when there is adversity.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I’m not sure how anyone can miss Terry

    2. Gothamist says:

      I think you say some very intelligent things.
      Is it possible it is too early to talk about this?

      Gabe Kapler never wanted to come, Joey Cora had a great situation in Boston.
      We have huge FAs decisions coming our way soon, we have no hitting prospects a year away, we have self impoverished ownership, they threw pennies at rehab, training and TC let Noah do that BS last winter…
      This is a good two year experiment and with Dave Eiland the best attempt to make huge decisions.

      I stand there and once spring training is in full gear I am the audience like you are…

      1. metsdaddy says:

        I think we need to see him actually manage before making a decision.

        He’s got some original ideas, and when you have a team built on pitching, he’s an inspired choice. The fact Eiland joined him is all the better.

        One areas Mets pitchers couldn’t figure out was mechanics. That’s Eiland’s specialty.

        Let’s give it some time before we start calling Callaway a bust.

        1. Five Tool Ownership says:

          I was not in the know about Warthen and mechanics nor “scouting” Eiland….

          DADDY YOU JUST PROVIDED GREAT INFO!
          Did you do a post on this stuff?
          Many people were perplexed about Warthen being let go…

          1. metsdaddy says:

            Inside info

    3. Gothamist says:

      The Yankees just traded lower draft picks than the Mets, second and twelve round draft picks for :

      https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/drurybr01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

      What do we have for our picks?

      1. metsdaddy says:

        Well, the Mets traded those lower round picks in deals to obtain Bruce and Blevins.

        Lugo, Gsellman, and Sewald were all late round picks. There are others behind them.

        1. Gothamist says:

          Blessed for Den Dekker?

          1. metsdaddy says:

            den Dekker is going to provide solid AAA OF depth in addition to his already being used to get Blevind

        2. Five Tool Ownership says:

          Exactly!

          THEY TRADED HIGH!

          They moved on from Dilson Herrara (acquired from Pitts)
          and traded high!

          https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=wotell000max

          He had a WHIP near 1.00, he was traded and they scored Jay Bruce!

          1. Gabe Paul says:

            Yepp, but whatever great deal they made for Bruce they lost it in the Cleveland / Bruce trade a year later!

            they scored a thirty rounder…

          2. metsdaddy says:

            That’s not entirely true. Ryder Ryan was drafted that low partially because he was seen as a not easy sign.

          3. metsdaddy says:

            The key piece in that deal was Herrera who we still don’t know about

          4. Gabe Paul says:

            den Dekker came back under the radar…

            Other teams were kicking themselves after the Mets resigned the renowned late inning dee replacement Mr den Dekker of waivers!

            our gain baby!!!

            A#1!!!

            four outfield assists in 45 games for the Mets!

            https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dendema01.shtml

          5. metsdaddy says:

            den Dekker is okay. He’s certainly no Lagares

  2. Gothamist says:

    Nice #2 bat 2016, may be a DH
    19 errors on 83 games, at first base…

    Maybe a converted pitcher?

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?ID=182684

    1. metsdaddy says:

      As of the moment, Alonso is a DH. However, he has been working hard at improving defensively, so it’s too early to tell

      1. Five Tool Ownership says:

        I agree with the Yankee philosophy and OldBackstop, trade him to the AL for a better prospect ASAP.

        Slow, first base only and an error every four games…
        Remember Lucas Duda’s throw in game five in the 2015 WS?
        Remember that Murph got dumped over his fielding?

        Trade high….

        1. metsdaddy says:

          Teams rarely if ever trade prospect for prospect

  3. Gothamist says:

    Maybe this is what you say about trading players early?

    Check out this WHIP, yet w his Ks per 9 innings may hint at not optimum FB velocity and maybe this where paying big for minor league scouts for THE GOAL of trading up for AAA prospects with recent yet initially successful draft picks…

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?ID=204021

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Cleveland was recently ranked a top 50 Mets prospect.

      1. Five Tool Ownership says:

        There are 1,500 top fifty prospects in baseball.
        Well for a #12 that is good…

        1. OldBackstop says:

          “There are 1,500 top fifty prospects in baseball.”

          Brilliant. I’m so sick of hearing this, particularly in a farm system like the Mets.. Our 15-50 prospects are never going to e in Flushing. Or maybe one or two.

          1. metsdaddy says:

            That’s just not correct.

            The range you pinpointed is typically the reliever range for team’s prospects. You’ll see names like Bashlor, Conlon, Drew Smith, etc.

            You’re likely going to see at least 5 from that group. That’s not nothing.

  4. OldBackstop says:

    I’m not saying Callaway’s not a top pitching guru or a nice guy. I’m just predicting his persona is going to wear thin with some of the media, and we will see how genuine he looks when he takes some bullets.

    Just saying. Just predicting. You gots to be keeping it real in the 212, bruddas……

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Winning and hustle will dictate on how he’s perceived

  5. OldBackstop says:

    Addendum: I guess the thing is I don’t see him as an alpha male, and that is a problem in the clubhouse.

    We already got a taste of Wheeler turning cold with the media on the Vargas signing. If healthy, Callaway is going to have to be sending some guys to the bullpen who have been stars and starters since the were eight years old. They don’t have to call a press conference, they can just sow unrest,

    If healthy, this isn’t going to be a linear process. The triage fpr the 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 on March 15 isn’t going to stat out the same on May 1 or June 15. This is setting up to be like a two quarterback controversy, and I’m not sure Callaway has the stones to fade the heat when Noah comes out in a month and says Harvey should be a starter because Lugo sucks.

    Or 50 other scenarios.

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