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Mets Managerial Position Is A Dead End Job

Recent reports indicate Robin Ventura and Brad Ausmus are not interested in the Mets managerial job.  For Ventura’s part, it seems he’s just not interested in managing again.   With respect to Ausmus, he’s interested in managing again, but he doesn’t want the Mets job.  Ausmus is interested in the Red Sox job.

There are also reports other managers with managerial experience were out of the running as well.  Specifically, Bob Geren and Chip Hale will not be reuniting with the Mets.  Both were assumed to be well respected by the organization, but for unspecified reasons, neither is a candidate for the Mets managerial opening.  With respect to these two, it should be noted, it was not known if they took themselves out of the running, or the Mets decided to go in another direction.

Really, the only manager with prior experience who is a candidate for the job is Manny Acta, who due to poor stints in Washington and Cleveland, probably won’t be a candidate for many managerial positions.  Unless Acta gets the job, the Mets are going to hire a first time manager, and the top managerial candidate on the market, Alex Cora, appears destined to go to the Red Sox.

It really makes you question why there isn’t greater interest in the Mets managerial position?  There may be a number of viable reasons why, but let’s not overlook the fact the Mets managerial position is somewhat of a dead-end job.

Since the Wilpons assumed team control in 2003, the team has gone through four managers.  That’s five if you include Bobby Valentine who was fired after the 2002 season.  Of those five managers, Valentine was the only one who would ever get another managerial job, and that was only after he first went to Japan, worked as an analyst on Baseball Tonight, and got the opportunity from a Red Sox ownership group eager to hire him.  Otherwise, Valentine likely never gets another job.

There are several reasons why these managers never got another job.  With respect to Terry Collins, he will turn 69 early in the 2018 season, and there were rumors before the announcement the Mets were reassigning him in the organization, Collins was going to retire anyway.  Still, that didn’t prevent the Mets from trashing him on the way out.

It’s quite possible the scathing analysis of Collins as detailed in Marc Carig’s Newsday article was the Mets masterpiece.  It may well be the result of all the practice they’ve had.

In a New York Daily News feature after it was announced Art Howe would finish out the season before being fired, Howe was characterized as soft, uninspiring, weak, and lacking credibility with players.

His replacement, Willie Randolph, was treated just as poorly on the way out.  In addition to being fired after winning the first game of a West Coast trip, the Mets would again go to assassinate their manager’s character.  As detailed by Bill Maddon of the New York Daily News, the Mets let it be known they had their reservations about even hiring Randolph and insisted the team won in spite of him.  As if that wasn’t enough, the report stated the team believed Randolph, “lacked fire; the players, especially the Latino players, had tuned him out; he was too sensitive to criticism; he was overly defensive; he didn’t communicate with his coaches.”

Is there any wonder why a manager with a 302-253 (.544) record never got another job?  The same manager who deftly handled the development of David Wright and Jose Reyes never got another opportunity.

Yes, there were other reasons why Randolph never got another job, but in the end, the character assassination levied upon him was a great disservice, and it played an important role in his never getting another job.  Same went for Valentine and Howe.

Knowing how the Mets handle the firings of their managers, and knowing how their managers never get another job, why would a top candidate ever consider taking this job?

7 thoughts on “Mets Managerial Position Is A Dead End Job”

  1. Luis says:

    As long as I can recall (since 1969 when I became a Mets fan), the Mets have had front office issues re leaks and bad mouthing people as they exit. No excuse for this, and you would think t hat SA would pput a stop to it as, being a Marine, he should have a sense of honour. The only conclusion I can draw is that it come from the WIlpons (at least in these past 20 years), but it does seem a systemic and ingrained trait.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Considering it’s happened from Phillips to Duquette to Minaya to Alderson, it’s a definitive Wilpon trait

    2. Press Box Opinion says:

      Theory

      If a Wilpon can not have power via EXPERTISE REPUTATION BEING RESPECTED – in general if one WITHOUT THESE POWERS can only intervene and is limited to SHOW POWER (and thus it happened) as he STOPPED his GM from firing the manager?

      This was reported to be on numerous occassions?

      Is it possible that firing Terry Collins now, after a season of disproportionate injuries it can not be proved that Terry College was even remotely at fault.

      Thus is it possible that the BASEBALL PEOPLE (and Mr. Wilpon’s son) who reportedly wanted to fire Mr Collins on numerous occassions before 2017 were left to defend themselves via going directly to the media or via leaks?

      I would guess that if Mr. Alderson did not want Mr. Wilpon to veto his decision to fire or manage a manager Mr A was free to quit or not re-sign and his staying yet leaking to protect his previous assessments and intentions so the public knows “his truth” and thus establishing that the burden of Mr. Collins full or extended term be placed on Mr. Wilpon?

      That Mr. Alderson wanted (and wants s to inow jow) Mr. Collins out before 2017, before 2015 or midseason before the playoff runs of 15 or 16?

      “Cover your own ass” was forced upon others because Mr. Wilpon would not allow his GM(s) to be GMs?

  2. Five Tool Ownership it is not! says:

    Objections to managing the Mets:

    GM does not have full autonomy?
    GM is not in charge of saber-metrics?
    GM is not in charge of medical/training?
    Medical updates are skewed or massaged away from the truth?
    Manager will have to get the veterans to know that there is now a sheriff in town?
    Will he have the backing from the GM and will the owners bud out?!
    Leaks for whatever reason?
    Not enough quality player evaluation?
    Minor leagues are not stacked and mostly not winning on the higher levels?
    There are no more position players expected by 2019, not an impact player?
    The last two drafts were for pitchers that will not be ready in 2018 or even 2019?
    Pitchers drafted for replacing free agent Mets starters departing?
    There is not enough team revenue for salaries?
    The owners will not spend it anyway?
    Beltran and Pedro?
    NYC living?
    NYS NYC taxes and cost of living?
    Waiting for SD job?
    Manager does not have autonomy?
    Cespedes?
    Hire someone who can not get thru to Noah?
    In NY we have the NYC Yankees and the Long Island Mets.

    Will the best bet be giving a young coach his first managerial job?
    Or a veteran pitching or hitting coach?
    For the great ones will not come…?

    How to fix it so great ones want to come?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Overall, of all the questions you ask, it boils down to the commitment from ownership to win. The core you need to win is here. You just need to add the pieces around it. There’s a serious doubt whether that will happen.

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