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We Still Don’t Know What Gsellman Is

Last year, Robert Gsellman started the year in Binghamton, and he would find himself starting important games in September as the Mets pushed towards a Wild Card.  In eight games (seven starts), Gsellman was 4-2 with a 2.42 ERA, 1.276 WHIP, and an 8.5 K/9.  During that run, Gsellman had seemingly emerged as the Mets newest potential ace in what was already a star studded rotation.  Due to his emergence and injuries to the Mets pitchers, Gsellman joined the Opening Day rotation to give him a chance to take the next step.

Gsellman didn’t take that step forward he was expected to take.  In fact, he took a giant step backwards.

In his 21 games (18 starts), Gsellman has been 6-6 with a 5.44 ERA, 1.567 WHIP, and a 6.2 K/9.  But it’s more than just the numbers.  Gsellman has regressed in every aspect of his game.

According to Brooks Baseball, Gsellman was predominantly a sinker/slider pitcher throwing about a 95 MPH fastball and an 89 MPH slider.  He’s still the same sinker/slider pitcher, but now his fastball velocity has dipped to just under 94 MPH.  It may not seem like much, but there has been a tangible effect with batters hitting him harder and more frequently.

Now, you could blame some of this on the Mets defense, which has been terrible this year.  However, it should be pointed out Gsellman had gone from a .336 BABIP against last year to a .319 BABIP this year.  So while the Mets defense has been terrible, it’s not the whole reason for Gsellman’s struggles.

There’s also the matter of his frustrations.  Things have not gone well for him since the beginning of the year.  His first start was a five inning outing where he allowed three runs on six hits.  He followed that with a 4.2 inning effort where he allowed eight runs (four earned) off eight hits.  Things got worse from there before they got better, if things every truly got better.

Gsellman would strain his hamstring covering first base during his June 28th start.  He left the Mets unimpressed during his rehab appearances causing General Manager Sandy Alderson to say Gsellman would stay in Double-A until he pitched better.  When the information was relayed to Gsellman, he infamously responded, “I don’t really care.”

It’s hard to believe Gsellman didn’t care.  Likely, this was more a result of his frustrations from a disappointing and difficult season boiling over.  Certainly, he has pitched better of late.  Better, but not where he was last season.

Where he goes from here is anyone’s guess.  We’ve seen him be great, and we’ve seen him pitch terribly.  Maybe he’s not the pitcher he was last year.  Maybe he’s not the pitcher he is this year.  He could be better.  He could be even worse.

Fact is, this is a 23 year old pitcher who has a long career ahead of him.  What his career will be is anyone’s guess.  That could be top of the rotation starter to bullpen arm.  No one can confidently say what that will be.  In the end, it will all matter how he responds to this difficult season.

16 thoughts on “We Still Don’t Know What Gsellman Is”

  1. Gothamist says:

    I look at how the Mets have handled Gsellman since 2015 and I am not impressed!

    Flexen promoted from AA this summer imagine him having a bad start of the season in 2018 and the manager throws him out to the harsh beat writer media on a road trip after a bad game?

    Well that is almost exactly how Gsellman was treated this year.

    They knew he had two pitches?

    Maybe TC asked him to throw his cutter, curve or change in May?

    1. metsdaddy says:

      It’s like with Rick Porcello. Sinker/slider pitchers just have year to year variations. Rather than develop a third pitch, they tend to rely on those two due to similar arm movements. It takes the exceptionally skilled to add that third pitch.

  2. Gothamist says:

    I still get the Daily News delivered. $.30 a day!

    I tried the NY Post but too much opinion and no research or leveraging of anything remotely sabermetrics.

    I love the NYT but too much world suffering and I do not live that lifestyle.

    Anyway:

    I CAME ACROSS THE MET STATS BOX THIS MORNING

    I REALIZED THAT NO MET WILL HAVE 125 hits this year.

    Amazing!!!!!!

    1. metsdaddy says:

      I have found what you said to be completely the opposite, especially with the Daily News being the Mets paper of record and Ken Davidoff’s work for the Post

  3. Five Tool Ownership says:

    WHY WOULD I SIGN W THE METS AND PITCH FOR TERRY COLLINS?

    27 appearances in AA and just 9 in AAA?
    Prior injuries and two pitches?
    Prepared, over prepared at 23 years old?
    Never a top prospect seasoned for HIGH PRESSURE in HS or College championships or PAC 12 competition.

    Did deGrom play at Stetson and Harvey at NC Chapel Hill?

    What Met pitcher drafted out of HS has had consistent success at age 24 or 28?

    IT TOOK ME FIVE MINUTES TO PULL THIS UP…

    WHY WOULD I SIGN W THE METS AND PITCH FOR TERRY COLLINS?

    OF COURSE I WOULD SAY “I DO NOT CARE”

    I would refuse to report next February if Collins is retained!!!!!!!!

    1. metsdaddy says:

      You’d sign with the Mets for the same reason we all would. He’s a young pitcher with a team giving him an opportunity.

    2. Gothamist says:

      You are talking about Robert Gsellman?
      TC abused the pen after Familia suspended and they signed :

      Adam Wilk

      &

      http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=t400&player_id=452733

      THIS WAS ALL ON JEFF WILPON!!!!!!

      1. metsdaddy says:

        This is on Collins. He’s never met a pitcher he didn’t abuse

        1. Gothamist says:

          Oh, he asked for Thomas and Adam Wilk after the Familia suspension?

          http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=t400&player_id=452733

          They had another chance, they signed two off the waivers wire:

          One very forgettable pitcher this June and TOMMY MILONE!!!!

          THIS IS WILPON’s vice grip as much as TC and Alderson’s enabling and complicity!!!!

          1. metsdaddy says:

            Alderson can’t be an enabler. He’s an employee. The enabler is MLB that permits the Mets to operate like a small market club

  4. Five Tool Ownership says:

    Yes, Robert Gsellman I was talking about:

    What consistency and emotional intelligence for those drafted out of HS?

    Z. Wheeler
    Dunn
    Matz
    Syndergaard

    Etc…

    Should we go through all the pitching picks since 2011?

    How many of those drafted out of HS in the MLB are solid consistent starters at the end of their 23rd year to be put on auto pilot?

    THE METS ABUSE, THEY USE …

    USE AND ABUSE

    1. metsdaddy says:

      Wheeler was drafted by the Giants. Dunn was drafted out of college. Syndergaard was drafted by the Blue Jays.

  5. Five Tool Ownership says:

    Dunn pitched how many games in college.
    Wheeler was drafted out of HS and has limited to no trade value…

    My point is that pitchers out of HS are not on auto pilot at 23 years old especially after 9 starts in AAA!

    Yes, I know about the Beltran trade…

    TC deserved no ring, TC get the freak out of here a hole!!!!

    If the pitchers could only abuse you?

  6. Five Tool Ownership says:

    Saul Katz and Jeff Wilpon’s financial vice grip?

    They saw 2015 as luck for their only priority was their wealth.
    Not getting nor caring about the missing pieces for 2016 or 2017,,,

    Adam Wilk?!!!

    Not any window, not the fans nor the players!
    About their wealth like BUYING THE eGAMES FRANCHISE THIS JULY FOR $40Million!!!!

    Players?
    Are you reading this?

    Sign elsewhere as free agents
    Free agents do not sign here…

  7. Gothamist says:

    The Mets are on autopilot to oblivion and Sandy Alderson knows it and is 100% complicit collecting his pay from interfering, extremely frugal owners he knows know nothing about baseball.

    Robert Gsellman is a prime example of player development not being respected once they get six weeks in Flushing.

    Completely predictable.

    The future is dim.

    1. metsdaddy says:

      1. Love or hate Alderson, you cannot expect him to spend money that isn’t made available to spend. Short of him getting a Power of Attorney, what do you want him to do?

      2. Gsellman is just 23. Development isn’t a straight line. We don’t know anything about him yet.

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